Grateful Dead Live at Madison Square Garden on 1983-10-11
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FOB Sennheiser 441's > Technics PCM master > DAT; Transfer:Â DAT
> ZA2 > SoundForge; Taper: Jeff Silberman; via A. Gustin to etree, stemming
from tree run by M. Daniel, F. Venezia; barely fits on 2 discs without
filler; filler 4/17/84, same source
- 2004-10-19 14:46:48
- Sennheiser 441's (FOB) > Technics PCM master > DAT > ZA2 > Soundforge > SHN/FLAC16
- New York, NY
- Audience: Sennheiser 441's
- Taped by
- Jeff Silberman
- Madison Square Garden
Subject: One of my Favorites
The second set starts with a speedy China>Rider, which isn’t too bad, but it’s a little too fast. I believe one of Jerry’s speakers goes out after, which allows for them to regroup. The Bertha>Jam>China Doll is the highlight of this show for me. The Bertha is definitely one of the better versions of the 80s. Jerry’s playing is especially nice. The jam after is very out of left field but very well played. It segues perfectly into an emotional China Doll, which is one of my favorite Dead tunes. It’s played very well; I love when they jam it out at the end. The Drums>Space is nice, though not particularly noteworthy. I believe there are some bird sounds in Space though. The post-Drums portion isn’t better than the pre-Drums, but it’s not bad. The revival of St. Stephen at this show is definitely fun, but this is one of the sloppier versions I’ve heard. It’s not bad though, definitely not a trainwreck. The Throwing Stones>Touch of Grey isn’t very noteworthy either, but it’s well played. The encore of Johnny B. Goode isn’t one of my favorite encores, but it’s energetic and very well played.
Overall, this show is a 4/5 in terms of the actual show, but this source is a 5/5. It’s a very open sound, but everyone is heard perfectly. Very similar to a Matrix recording. Great show!
Subject: Greatest call /Anyone have pics
Subject: was there
Subject: Tour days.
After Richmond with the Sugar Mag fake into Good Lovin' and the Stephen soundcheck at Greensboro, we settled into NYC for these two shows. I raced to Penn Station after this show to find a pay phone to call my dear friend Mark Way and let him know they had played Saint Stephen.
He drove down from New Hampshire for the second show which was arguably better that 10/11.
Babatunde Olatunji opened the second show with Nigerian dancers in full dress. It was spectacular...
Subject: Some like-minded tru hippie's speak up
Subject: That's The Stuff
Subject: Lord, we are thankful for that which we are about to receive.
I don't know if it's even possible to list the best audience recordings made of the Grateful Dead, but this one has to be somewhere among them. It's sooooo damn good. He's in that spot where you can barely here the audience (I understand this might be a negative for some), yet you still get the ambiance of the venue. (Call me crazy, but MSG has proven again and again to be one of the great venues to record open-air.)
And hey. This Fall '83 tour is smokin'. Truly. Forget the Persian, forget the post-76 downhill slide, forget the caveats about Jerry's voice and lyrics that get mucked. Give 'em a listen. Warts and all: great energy and great communication among the boys. You can hear them listening to each other. And that ain't nothin'.
I love this show, from the sloppy Wang Dang Doodle to the Keep Your Day Job, which, by the way, for an oft-trashed 'throw-away' tune, rocks. This Birdsong is one of my favs. Bobby gets this nutty-crazy-mind-warping sound during the jam with whatever envelope filter he's using and Jerry has an orgasm all over it.
The second set is plain rollicking fun. (There are problems with the sound system during the China > Rider, starting during the transition, which manifests itself as some fairly heinous popping -- careful with the volume here. We later discover that this is due to one of Jerry's speakers having just "barked its little heart out.") I love the jam after Bertha which gives way, wonderfully, to China Doll (Jerry's voice only fractured and just a little nervous from the fall). Skeletons banging 'round in the closet during drums, and a delightfully creepy space (turn off the lights). Then the first St. Stephen since '79 and the last of three they would ever play.
This is a very, very good show, supremely well recorded. I will add the word pristine. Get the Shorten files, convert, and play it LOUD.
Subject: Correection to previous reviewer
Subject: All about Phil!!
Subject: Very surprising ending to Throwing Stones
Subject: Crowd reaction to Stephen
Well worth the DL for the audience energy from Stephen.
Subject: this ones better than sbd
why.fuller sound spectrum and audience noise in all the right places make this one the keeper.
Subject: Fall 83 MSG the place to be
I think people sometimes mistake the sound of the recording for bad playing. 1983 seems to be a spottier year for good clear sounding audience and crisp soundboards compared to 84 boards and 85 aud.'s and sound boards. As far as the playin, They were on fire most of the time. This recording sounds pretty good, I like the show more than the recording. I also believe that persian habit did help, those solo's and jams were blow outs, over the top. They way he sang every thing was affected by that and I think its sad to say but in my opinion he sounded good all they way around except when it caught up with him by 86' and it detoriated him faster in the later years it worked against him. In the begining it was all fun and games for big Jerry and to me it sounded like it from 77-85 and in some real killer spots of 87-88. Finally hot as hell in 89 through summer 90. Unstopable ! (I take that back Vince Welnick from the tubes slowed them down quit a bit.) No complaints fom me in 1983. Take it any day over 1993.
Subject: Great show
Subject: MSG Fall 83
Owner of one of the first digital recorders on tour, Silberman is also responsible for the 4th row FOB recording of the Worcester show on 10/21.
A friends' older brother attended and dosed for this one and commented that the Jerry led space went on and on until most of the crowd was actually sitting down and quietly listening. When the 1st notes of St. Stephen appeared, everyone jumped up all at once and started screaming. Although the Stephen is not on the level of the late 60's/early 70's, or even 77', it is still a rush to hear the appearence of and reaction to the unexpected.
Other highlights- an absolutely killer Bird Song, a fast and furious China / Rider, and a great short jam which arises out of nothing and leads us into the China Doll.
Subject: saint stephen
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